{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"17737829","dateCreated":"1259898831","smartDate":"Dec 3, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"SNorman2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SNorman2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1252264259\/SNorman2-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ls5443dempsey.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/17737829"},"dateDigested":1531977621,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Log of our chat on Blackboard","description":"[Susan Norman\u00a0joined the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:03:36 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Hi, Mandy! I'm here!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:03:55 PM CST [Mandy Dempsey\u00a0joined the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:18:04 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I am ready now, too. Thanks for the instructions!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:18:32 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0You bet!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:18:41 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Hey, thanks for the idea about the OLC--I just did that field trip last April!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:19:04 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0I added it to the culminating activity\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:19:37 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I have found numerous websites that provide visual images of pilgrim life and pilgrim children.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:20:02 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:20:10 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0For the introductory activity, is this Dr. M's Motivation in her lessons?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:20:31 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Dr. M's motivation? I'm confused...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:21:03 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0If so, I have an introductory activity that incorporates two of her Motivation activities from different lessons.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:21:12 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Oh! Let me look at her book real quick to refresh my memory about her motivation activities\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:21:54 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Motivation is a heading in her lesson plans from CS4RC\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:21:55 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0okay, got it! Sorry!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:22:43 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0What's the activity! I'm sure it's great!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:22:55 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0I was confused because when you said &quot;motivation&quot;, I was stuck thinking about the motivation of the teacher coming to the librarian, and had a little block there...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:24:23 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Using the link from the pilgrim pathfinder, we play audio of &quot;pilgrim talk.&quot; We then ask students what these &quot;common&quot; sayings mean, display answers on smartboard.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:24:46 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Awesome!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:25:00 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Perfect.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:25:05 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Do you want to go ahead and add it to the introductory activity part on the planning sheet....and...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:25:40 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0We then show students the anchor books, read the title, author, illustrator. Then ask students what they already know about pilgrims. Think-pair-share in groups of 4.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:25:46 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Groups use the pilgrim pathfinder to show students images of pilgrims and build background knowledge.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:26:43 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Even better! So do we want that to be a part of the teacher's responsibility, since she'll be showing the first book?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:27:05 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I think this should be joint responsiblity. I could be the one playing the audio, and you can be the one recording the students' answers from think-pair-share.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:28:44 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Good deal; so we need to set it up so that we're in the library for both books...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:29:40 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I think that is a good idea. Give me a sec to go back and look at the planning form.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:30:12 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Me, too...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:30:22 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0So we'll change the &quot;responsibilities&quot; of both of us to reflect this...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:31:56 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I think we need to do the entire lesson in the library. Instead of working with the whole class, we can divide the class according to gender since we want girls to compare\/contrast with pilgrim girl and vice versa. What do you think about dividing the class this way?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:32:16 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Wow, I don't know. I was thinking it would be good for both genders to see both books...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:32:45 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Each of us will read both books to our groups. We don't have to separate by gender since we are reading both books.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:32:56 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0So that they can really comprehend the differences in their lives...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:32:57 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0So, you mean we'll do something like the way Dr. M set up the questioning lesson we deconstructed?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:33:53 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I agree, but I still think we need to divide the class and each of us take a group this way we can show benefits of two teachers-lower student-teacher ratio, student feedback,etc.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:34:16 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Got ya--you just answered my question above...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:34:37 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Sounds good. I didn't even think about that, even though we just deconstructed a lesson that did that...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:35:02 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great idea!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:35:10 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Yes, just like that. I don't know if I am getting ahead of ourselves, but maybe students can use the Venn diagram to produce a presentation of some sort?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:35:15 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Maybe a powerpoint or glogster?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:35:43 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0this way, students will be using a technology tool for presentation, not just using a pathfinder.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:36:09 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0So you mean for them to take the Venn diagram with their own comparison\/contrasting, a step farther...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:36:41 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0yes.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:36:52 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0You rock!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:37:04 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Love it!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:37:08 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Do we want to include that now, on our planning form...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:37:32 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0The only web 2.0 tools I am aware of are the ones I have learned from this course. Do you know of any that would fit this lesson?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:37:55 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0I just know those as well...but they could use Webspiration to do the venn...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:38:25 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Yes, I think we need to include everything. After all, I am the one who said we didn't need the TEKS or AASL standards and look where that got us!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:38:38 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I will look at the webspiration site again, do they have a Venn Diagram?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:39:01 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Hey, I agreed with you, and I stand by our interpretation!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:39:05 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Well, you develop your own...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:39:21 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0So we'd have to include something about how they've already been taught to construct webspiration products, maybe?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:39:49 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0That's the good thing about this being pretend...we can say they've learned anything at the point we've taught the lesson!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:40:28 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I don't think so, we can include a link to webspiration's venn diagram page and students just have to click on it to get it.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:40:42 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0That sounds good. We can let it sink it this week...and maybe have them put it in an animoto or glogster...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:41:13 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0I guess the thing for tonight is, how much of this last part do we want to elaborate on in the collab. planning form?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:41:42 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Good idea, we can leave the presentation tool up to the student. We can give them a list and let them choose.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:41:51 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I will add the introductory activity to the lesson form and then add the web 2.0 tool for a presentation in the culminating activity section. How does that sound?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:42:55 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Sounds awesome!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:43:08 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Do you want to also revise the &quot;responsibilities&quot; for both of us?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:43:37 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I will add that right now. Can we copy and paste this chat to the discussion page on wiki?\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:43:38 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0I'm assuming we can--after we &quot;hand up&quot;, I'll try and copy the log like I did Meebo\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:44:01 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I can do that too. I've already forgotten about that!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:44:01 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great--do you want to do the rubric this time, and I do the URL on the word document, and submit that\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:44:30 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Ug, I meant, after we &quot;hang up&quot;, not &quot;hand up&quot;!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:44:53 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0My previous message may be confusing, I meant I will add the responsibility changes and you can add the chat.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:44:53 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Sounds good, I will turn in the rubric.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:45:08 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0No, I totally understood. I just can't type!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:45:11 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great. Okay, my friend. I think we're set!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:45:22 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I'm sure I will talk with you tomorrow before we submit. Have a great night!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:45:51 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Good deal! I'll have my cell with me all day, and I'll be checking my school email...\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:46:14 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0remember, I can't see the wiki or twu email at my school\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:46:29 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0my school email is susanfnorman@katyisd.org\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:46:51 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I will add my stuff to the wiki right now, depending on how long that takes, we can submit tonight.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:47:02 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0and my cell is 2817448956, if you need me\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:47:14 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0I will send you an email tonight when the wiki page is complete.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:04 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great. I'll tell you what; I'll check my twu email before I go to school tomorrow---\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:08 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0okay! disregard last thing i typed!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:23 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0That's a plan!\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:34 PM CST Susan Norman:\u00a0Great! I'll say goodnight, my friend.\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:44 PM CST Mandy Dempsey:\u00a0Good night\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:54 PM CST [Susan Norman\u00a0left the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:48:59 PM CST [Susan Norman\u00a0joined the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:50:26 PM CST [Susan Norman\u00a0left the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:51:11 PM CST [Susan Norman\u00a0joined the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:52:03 PM CST <br \/>\n[Mandy Dempsey\u00a0left the session]\u00a0Dec 3, 2009 9:52:30 PM CST","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"17678321","dateCreated":"1259813707","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"SNorman2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SNorman2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1252264259\/SNorman2-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/ls5443dempsey.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/17678321"},"dateDigested":1531977622,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"introductory activities","description":"Mandy,<br \/>\nWhat do you think about for this part? Were you able to find any websites? Or, do you think maybe we could have something like &quot;show examples of things that a pilgrim boy or girl would have needed or used&quot;? In the books, there are pages that show all the layers of clothes they wore, (for example, they had to tie a pocket around their clothes, since pockets weren't sewed on the clothes themselves; it has a picture of the girl churning butter, making Indian cornbread--and it has the recibe included--pounding spices, writing with chalk on a slate, milking a cow, holding a doll.In the book about the boy, it shows him setting a snare to trap a rabbit (called a coney), gathering firewood, binding and carrying the rye harvested by his father (even though his hands are sore from it--which he doesn't want to admit to his dad, since he wants to his dad to think he's tough)meeting two Indian girls, collecting mussels for dinner, which sting his hands that are full of blisters and sores from binding the rye, not being able to go home from all this work until dark. Their discipline is talked about, too. For example, the girl is not allowed to sit during dinner; also, she says she can't talk unless she's spoken to, and, that she's gotten the switch for talking out of turn. Also, while the boy says he gets schooling from his dad at home, the girls says that she's lucky that her stepdad is teaching her to read and write, since usually no one taught girls.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"17724343","body":"Susan, I taught in Katy a few years back and the fourth grade students took a field trip to the Outdoor Learning Center.  At the OLC they have a one-room school house and other &quot;relics.&quot;  What do you say about using this field trip either before or after the lesson?  If we take them to the OLC before the lesson, we are building background knowledge; if we use it after the lesson, we can think of a culminating activity or extension.","dateCreated":"1259882524","smartDate":"Dec 3, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"dempseymj","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dempseymj","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"17730337","body":"Oh my goodness, I can't believe I didn't think about that! We still do that field trip!!! I think it would be great for the culminating activity. I'll add it in. They get to write on slates there, and they have an actual butter churn. Excellent!","dateCreated":"1259889768","smartDate":"Dec 3, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"SNorman2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SNorman2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1252264259\/SNorman2-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}